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  Solar Eclipse - How Common is It?

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  of the 213 moons in our solar system, only ours provides a total solar eclipse.. coincidence?.

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  Sea Breeze

  [Logic] comes from our brains.

  And in your view our brains come from where? Chance explosions, chemical accidents, dna copying mistakes?

  Is that what you are saying gives you confidence in the reliability of logic?
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  Solar Eclipse - How Common is It?

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  of the 213 moons in our solar system, only ours provides a total solar eclipse.. coincidence?.

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  I don't assume that any of those things explain the origins of logic. That is the strawman. I am pointing out that humans can reason

  So where do you think logic and reason came from that would make you so sure of their reliability?
  
  
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  Solar Eclipse - How Common is It?

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  Sea Breeze: You have to borrow your assumption from a biblical worldview in order to even argue against it.
  You have claimed this many times, but never demonstrated it. In other words, my god is better than yours.

  @TonusOH: Your assumption about the reliability of logic is what I am questioning. If atheists assume accidental explosions, unguided chance, and chaotic chemical reactions explain of the origins of logic, why do they view logic as trustworty?

  It is a ligitimate question which flows directly from atheist assumptions... not mine. No strawman there.
  
  So far you've guessed because they work. Which I pointed out as the logical fallacy of irrelevant thesis. You've also suggested logic is produced by our minds. But, that doesn't make any sense because we all have different brain chemistry, IQ's, experiences etc.

  Anything else?

  So far, it is inconsistent. When a worldview is inconsistent it is very likely to be untrue.

  @Jeffro

  Sigh. No. You’re wrong.

  From NASA:

  "Uranus is also one of just two planets that rotate in the opposite direction than most of the planets. Venus is the other".
  
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  Solar Eclipse - How Common is It?

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  Sea Breeze

  Logic is one of the ways that we make sense of the world around us.

  TonusOH, I know you believe in logic. We all do because we are made in the image of God. But, you shouldn't in your worldview. In a chance universe there is no baisis for you to trust logic at all. You must assume that laws of reasoning are the same everywhere and in the future, even though you have been to neither. You have to borrow your assumption from a biblical worldview in order to even argue against it.

  The other assumption in your statement above is that you assume the world should make sense. Now why in the world would you assume the world should make sense in a chance universe made up of explosions, random unguided chemical reactions and copying mistakes? It makes no sense.

  The reality is that without a biblical worldview you would be unable to "know" anything at all. So, you cannot escape the fact that you must steal a Christian belief, in order to even argue against the existence of God. Isn't that interseting? I think it is. You need to own your entire worldview, in which case you forsake all knowledge. Alternatively, you should get saved and and stop stealing from Christians.

  The third comment that I have on your answer above is that you have committed the fallacy of irrelevant thesis. You provided a true answer to a question I never asked. We all know the laws of logic work. But, that's not the question is it?

  It would be like if you and I went to a friends house and saw a Toyota Prius in the living room. When we asked him how did it get in his living room, he answers, "it works".

  Of course logic works and I can make sense of that in my worldview because "God is not a God of disorder" and "he changest not" and "he cannot deny himself" etc. But, in your world of chaotic explosions and unguided chemical reactions and copying mistakes, there is not basis to trust them at all.
  
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  Solar Eclipse - How Common is It?

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  It's like asking "why is spoken language always done with the mouth,

  So, you're saying that logic is simply a construction of our minds? That doesn't really work.

  The product of the mouth is all kinds of different languages. But logic, stays the same in spite of brain differences. We all have different brain chemistry, cultures, intelligence levels, experiences etc., etc,. etc. Logic doesn't make sense if it is simply a description of how our minds work, because they are all so different.

  But, it does make sense if logic is a description of how God's mind works and we are made in his image.
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  Would Zinaida Portnova Have Made a Good XJW Activist?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  meet 17 year old zinaida portnova:.

  she killed over a hundred nazis in a food poisoning incident.

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  I'm curious as to what people think: If the GB members all fell victum to a horrible food poisoning incident, do you think the organization could survive as is, or would it take the occasion to change some of the harsher policies ??
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  Solar Eclipse - How Common is It?

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  Logic is neither happenstance nor design. It's a human construct.

  @TonusOH

  Or really, then why is logic across cultures, languages and time periods always the same if it is a human construct as you say?
  
  Why isn't it different in different geographic locations, or on different planets? Anything should be possible in a chance universe right?

  Why should numbers work the same here as opposed to differently in another galaxy? In my opinion, It only makles sense if this is all the product of a mind, but certainly not the mind of just any man.

  
  
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  Solar Eclipse - How Common is It?

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  Whether it's a coincidence or not, what difference does it make?

  I think it makes a lot of difference in our world view. If it's not designed and we are just globs of chemicals making random chemical reactions, then that affects all kinds of things, not the least of which is how can we even trust logic, if it also is a product of happenstance. But if logic is designed like the universe, then we have a basis of how we can know anything.

  Barrow & Tipler, in their standard treatment, The Anthropic Cosmological Principle, admit that "there exist a number of unlikely coincidences between numbers of enormous magnitude that are, superficially, completely independent; moreover, these coincidences appear essential to the existence of carbon-based observers in the Universe."

  
  - there is the same number of electrons as protons to a standard deviation of one in ten to the thirty-seventh power, that is, 1 in 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (37 zeros)

  - the 1-to-1 electron to proton ratio throughout the universe yields our electrically neutral universe. In other words, the electron and the massively greater proton have exactly equivalent opposite charges

  Reasoning that the universe isn't designed because its here and wouldn't self exist if it was different is about as satisfying as a doctor saying that the reason your child is sick is because he's not doing well.

  That kind of thinking is well outside of popular atheist thinkers:

  
  

  Stephen Hawking: "The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted..."
  
  British astrophysicist Paul Davies wrote, "There is now broad agreement among physicists and cosmologists that the universe is in several respects 'fine-tuned' for life. ...carbon, and the properties of objects such as stable long-lived stars, depend rather sensitively on the values of certain physical parameters... it is fine-tuned for the essential building blocks and environments that life requires."
  
  
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  Solar Eclipse - How Common is It?

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  We all have biases Cofty based on our opinions. There is no way to escape that, so chill out. You are not an elder anymore where mental midgets quake in fear at the sound of your voice.
  
  Can you give me a plausible reason why light should behave both as waves and particles when nothing blew up into everything in your worldview?
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  Solar Eclipse - How Common is It?

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  The way light behaves is very interesting and looks like a a set up for observation.

  Our eyes pick up on photon particles. But, photons behave like waves while in transit. Upon observation, the wave function immediately collapses into photon particles that our eyes can detect and then the brain can interpret. Why?

  Light travels effeciently as centric waves. What happens when you cast a stone in a pond? It makes centric waves and the waves reach every bank of the pond.

  But, if light travelled as particles, then the farther away you are from something the less chance you have of picking up the photons on eye receptors.

  Think of a shotgun blast of birdshot where the BB's are likened to photons.

  
  

  If light were only particles, when looking at distant starlight, one photon might land in Europe and next one in New York..... very low density making distant light impossible to detect. The wave function of light in transit solves this problem and it certainly looks like it was designed to solve for the purpose of observation.
  
  Here's a quote from Richard Dawkins: "Biology is the study of complicated things that have the appearance of having been designed with a purpose."

  I think Richard Dawkins appears to have a prior commitment to atheism regardless of facts. After I left Watchtower, I found myself oddly without a prior commitment to hardly anything. I've gotten used to it now. But, it was quite exhilarating at first.